Kyle sent this:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10009077/dna-analysis-matches-jameis-winston-accuser
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Here's more general info on the Steubenville Rape
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case
* This article is reposted since the new indictments have come down
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/05/130805fa_fact_levy
* new indictments
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/25/247171043/schools-chief-among-4-indicted-in-steubenville-rape-case
Oct 13 update
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/justice/ohio-steubenville-rape-arrest/
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Questions for discussion:
1. When does sport become unacceptably violent?
2. Are some sports the moral equivalent of a bad role model? (e.g., objections to legal cage fighting on the grounds that it is too morally problematic).
These athletes should be careful what they do because they are a huge target! I am interested to see what happens in this case if he is found guilty! This is absolutely dumb on jameis' part knowing your going to be a primetime athlete. This is one of those cases of how many people look up to him and then seeing this? what kind of role model is he. this is pending he is found gulity of course.
ReplyDeleteWell, considering he denied who she was, saying he never saw here, denied any sexual conduct, and now saying it was consensual he sounds guilty. But keep in mind that athletes are not different than any other person. There is no difference between the rich rapist and the poor one. the decision itself is dumb
DeleteI have to agree with Matt on athletes being huge targets for everything that is negative. Not only does it make you look bad when you do something bad but it also reflects negatively on the people you as a person represent from your family to your coaches. The big hint here for athletes is what Coach Hilvert allows says is "Be Smart."
DeleteWhen you look at violence in sports I believe you have to look at it with a specific lens to that individual sport. By that I mean that you can't judge violence in football, or mixed martial arts cage fighting the same way you judge violence in baseball, tennis, or any other non-contact sport. There is a point at which a sport becomes unacceptably violent for all sports, but that point at which that happens varies. Fighting in the cage is obviously a violent sport. That is its purpose, to hurt the opponent so bad that they can't even get up again. Since that is the goal of that sport, the point at which it breaks the rules and becomes too violent is relatively high. Example of too much violence would be when Mike Tyson bit his opponents ear off with the attention of injuring him. In baseball or tennis, punching someone like in MMA is grounds for suspension and is entirely not acceptable. So when answering this question of too much violence, you need to look at the ground work of the sport as a whole.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Zach and that there are different acceptable levels of violence for each sport. And the acceptable levels of violence are determined by intent and the nature of the sport. So for football an acceptable level of violence would be to hit a player with the intention of taking him out of the equation for that play. And an unacceptable level of violence is tackling someone with the intention of tearing their ACL.
DeleteI agree with Zach. Intentionality is the determining factor in the level of violence that should be allowed in a sport. If athletics is both for entertainment and shared values amongst the fans and athletes, the intentional injury of athletes should not be desirable. Hard hits may be "entertaining" but disease and injury are not. If these "hard hits" with no intentional injury can still lead to chronic illness later on, then intentional injuries are obviously on the other side of the line. In the article we passed around in class, the reporter agreed that the fight which led to a fighter's coma was entertaining. However, if athletes are injured beyond their capacity in which they can compete, there will be no entertainment at all. I think just because cage fighting and boxing have been around so long, doesn't mean we should write it off as permissible. Even with restrictions on what counts as a "legal hit" seems odd considering people can potentially get injured on any hit. This could just be my ignorance of how many injuries actually occur in these violent sports, but they seem to counter all the values of sport. Injuries will of course happen in all sport, but the intent is definitely questionable in many contact sports where violent hits are applauded instead of condemned.
ReplyDeleteI believe the same thing, because to look at a situation from an individual's standpoint, you would need to reflect on yourself to see what your intentions were. In a sport like football, the intention of hitting a player as hard as you can would be rewarding for the fact that it could cause a fumble for a turnover or at the very least it will diminish their strength in the long run. The moral implications are totally reversed if your intent is to solely cause pain to another person.
DeleteI agree with the above. When violence becomes a matter of people(s) breaking the normal threshold of physical interaction in the competition of what is stated in the rules, could be said to be deemed unacceptable violent actions.
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A sport only comes unacceptably violent when people stop paying to see it.
ReplyDeleteSo basically there is no limit. If there exist fights the the death, most likely people would pay to see it...
Similar to role models... people choose their own morals.. immoral people probably have immoral role models
I think the violence in sports truly depends on the whether or not there was the intention to be hurt someone. In chapter 8, Simon suggested that if the act had the intention to physically harm the other person, then that should be considered violent. There was an example of a football player in the text who mentioned that he was paid to do his job, there he couldn't just stand in his position and let the opponent go by. Therefore, he had to be aggressive, because he was paid to. However, he paralyzed one of his opponents for being aggressive. He argued that he played by the rules, no penalty was called, so therefore, he did nothing wrong. I think it depends on the call of the refs and the morals of the player is they are playing violently.
ReplyDeleteI feel that sports become unacceptably violent when players are out there intentionally hurting others. I love the sport of football and I will until the day that I die and I feel that it is a violent sport but it isn't that in a bad way. It is a sport that men play and the men go out and see who is physically superior then the other. I don't feel that cage fighting is morally wrong at all. gladiator fighting and roman wrestling are the oldest sports of all time. I feel that it is in your human nature to want to be violent and want to prove your manhood against another.
ReplyDeleteI agree with will on this one. Gladiator fighting is human nature and awesome. Those men are killing machines and back then it was morally accepted for competition like this to go on. However sports today would not morally accept killing people for entertainment
DeleteI think that sports become unacceptably violent when the intention changes to hurt others on purpose. I think that just because a sport is a violent sport doesn't necessarily make it a bad role model. Just as will said gladiator fighting and roman wrestling are some of the oldest sports of all time. People find violent sports as very entertaining and people look up to those who physically are the most superior athletes.
ReplyDeleteA sport becomes unacceptably violent when the object is to hurt others to the point of taking the athlete out of the game. I mean sports like UFC, Football, Boxing, and etc. there is going to be violent hits and stuff but the athletes in the sport hold a mutual respect for one another. Most of the time they don't try to end the others career because that is there livelihood. But just because the athletes play a more violent sport doesn't make them bad role models. What makes them bad role models if their intent is to end careers.
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